All the machines I have shown so far have been Vibrating Shuttle machines, where the shuttle carriage is to the right of the needle and the shuttle moves back and forth in an arc. Singer patented their design for Vibrating Shuttles in 1886. Before then they had been manufacturing Transverse Shuttle machines.
These photographs are of a Frister and Rossmann Transverse Shuttle machine manufactured (probably) in the mid to late 1930s. German manufacturers continued making Transverse Shuttle machines until the outbreak of the Second World War, when most manufacturers switched over to the production of arms.
The shuttle moves from side to side in a straight line behind the needle. It fits snugly into its little bed, as shown in the second photo where I have slid back the plate.
The needle is threaded from front to back, whereas on a VS machine it is threaded from left to right. Different, but the same principle - in both cases you take the thread through the needle towards the shuttle.
TS machines make an excellent stitch, equal to that of any VS machine, which no doubt explains why the Germans didn't stop making them until history so rudely intervened.
Haven't seen these before ..have you ever heard of a Kerry sewing machine there was one in the charity shop but it was £100 out of my budget I'm afraid ...x
ReplyDeleteHello Artymess,
ReplyDeleteMy guess is that it might be a Jones machine. If a company put in a large order for machines to sell on, Jones would put that company's name on the machine.
A hundred quid is far too steep.
Muv
I just bought a Kerry sewing machine on Sunday for $100 (much cheaper than £100, I'm afraid!) - it seems to work perfectly, I just need to figure out how to use the transverse shuttle!
ReplyDeleteI can't find any other information on Kerry sewing machines on the internet - Artymess' comment was the only valuable lead I found on the internet so far!
Hello Jenn,
DeleteIf you put a picture online - perhaps on your blog - I might have a better chance of helping you.
Love,
Muv
I am losing my mind. I have a Frister and Rossman transverse shuttle machine that has the feed dogs out of sync with the hook. True confession. I did some disassembly to clean it.
ReplyDeleteThe balance wheel has timing marks scratched on it, and when the marks line up, the hook is timed. But it tries to feed while the needle is down.
Underneath it looks like a Singer 48K. I havee tried the obvious thing of releasing the shuttle drive at one end, rotating the wheel a partial turn, and reattaching it. Without allowing the shuttle to move. Perhaps I am just stupid, but this doesn't seem to make a difference.
I don't see any other way to affect the sync. Is there anyone out there that knows these machines well enough to guess what has happened?
I have a Frister and Rossman transverse shuttle machine whose feed dogs have somehow gotten out of sync with the shuttle. The balance wheel has timing scratches, and when they line up, the shuttle is timed. I have some F&R original needles, and the machine has a needle stop. It forms a stitch as long as the feed dogs are disengaged.
ReplyDeleteBut it tries to feed while the needle is down.
It would seem like you could fix this by releasing the shuttle drive link at one end, rotating the wheel a partial turn while holding the shuttle immobile. but I haven't been able to make this work. Is there some specific trick to this?
The underside seems to be nearly identical to a Singer 48K.
http://needlebar.org/nbwiki/images/4/46/48kunder.jpg
Jim Sowder
thanks for any help.
Hello Jim,
DeleteI'm sorry, I can't help you because I have never had to fix this problem.
Perhaps if you got in touch with ISMACS they might point you in the right direction. Here is their list of useful books.
http://www.ismacs.net/booklist/repair.html
Good luck!
Muv
Thanks. The most useful looking book is out of print and unavailable. Perhaps I could try interlibrary loan.
ReplyDeleteSuccess. I have spent many futile hours on this, but finally found the double secret timing marks on the upper drive gears. I'll post pictures on flickr with labels, so they'll show up on google searches. I'll post a link here.
ReplyDeleteI have a ways to go. I need to make a tension release pin and figure out the bobbin winder.,But it stitches.
Here's my document. It got a bit out of hand, because there are so many confused people out there whe have trouble using these machines. I thought as long as I am taking pictures, I will document some things that aren't obvious to new owners.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.ersimages.com/ecards/Transverse%20Shuttle%20Use,%20Repair,%20Timing.pdf
Well done Jim!
DeleteThank you for the link. I have had a quick look, and now know where to go if I ever have the same trouble. Excellent photographs and plenty of detail - somebody somewhere will be thanking you.
Muv
That someone is me! I'm not sure if I will carry on working on my Harris Family No 2 (made by Stoewer) as it really is taking up a lot of time, and I ask myself if it's worth it....BUT Jim's pictures are indeed excellent! I have got the original instructions and was trying to follow them for inserting the needle correctly, but could not find the mark on the needlebar that they describe - Jim's pictures showed me! If I can just make sure that the needle that came with the machine is the right sort, then I think I'll carry on, especially after reading that these machines make a nice stitch. Isn't the world of blogging helpful!
DeleteHi, I've just found your blog (thank you) after buying a lovely Frisster Rossman "D" transverse shuttle machine, about 1930. Have your written about threading? I am a new to sewing machines and so am mystified!
ReplyDeleteKind regards and many thanks,
Hello Cordelia,
DeleteCongratulations on your new machine!
The top thread follows the same route as the Singer shown in the video in the following post, except for the fact that in a transverse shuttle the needle is threaded from front to back:-
http://lizzielenard-vintagesewing.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/threading-long-bobbin-sewing-machine.html
The video also shows how to thread the shuttle. The illustrations in the following post will be helpful:-
http://lizzielenard-vintagesewing.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/the-vesta-
manual.html
As for the bobbin winder, it is likely to be either like this...
http://lizzielenard-vintagesewing.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/german-bobbin-winders-no-1.html
... or this...
http://lizzielenard-vintagesewing.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/german-bobbin-winders-no-2.html
Please let me know how you get on.
Love, Muv
Dear Muv,
DeleteThank you! I could not have gotten my "new" sewing machine sorted without your very kind assistance. I spent several days taking it apart to lean and oil, got it back together with only one tiny screw left over :) and have now not only wound the bobbing (nifty) but got it successfully threaded...all thanks to your fantastic advice and videos. Now onwards to learn to sew! Many many thanks,
Hello Cordelia,
DeleteTruly excellent news! Having spent so many hours getting to know and love your machine, you will fully understand my unbounded enthusiasm for pre-war German bobbin winders, where small scale mechanical engineering reaches a truly sublime level of ingenuity.
Learning to sew with your Frister and Rossmann will give you hours of pleasure. Good luck!
Love, Muv
Hi Muv
ReplyDeleteStarting to be fascinated by transverse shuttle machines but have yet to acquire one. What sort of needles does your 1930s F&R take?
Hugs
G
Just a standard needle, same as all the Singers. Careful, Gavin, you might get hooked.
DeleteLove, Muv
Hi Muv,
ReplyDeleteI started collecting antique and vintage machines a few years ago and was recently given a Frister and Rossmann transverse shuttle machine that is in the most amazingly beautiful condition. I haven't sewn with it as yet (I'm a little intimidated to tell you the truth - it's just SO gorgeous) but would like to buy a second shuttle if the chance arises. Could you please advise what I should be looking for? Does it have to be a F and R branded shuttle?
Kind regards,
Anne
Hello Anne,
DeleteCongratulations on your latest machine!
I'm a bit puzzled - do you mean shuttle? You only need one. If you mean bobbin, it depends on which model of transverse shuttle you have. Either way, Helen Howes is the person you need to contact.
http://helenhowes-sewingmachines.co.uk/shuttles.html
Good luck!
Love, Muv
Hello Muv - Just recently acquired a transverse shuttle hand crank machine that says HOWE on it. We are thinking it was made by a German manufacturer, perhaps F & R. Have not seen any other shuttles that look just like the one that was in it. Inside the shuttle (hard to read) looks like it is stamped with gart.stahl Have you run across this machine or shuttle before? I can send some pictures if you tell me where to send them. Thanks! -Mark-
ReplyDeleteHello Mark.
DeleteHowe machines were made either in the USA or Britain. It sounds as though it has come with a rogue German shuttle. If it works stick with it.
Happy New Year,
Muv
Hi ,
ReplyDeleteAfter a lot of searching I was really pleased to find a link on how to thread the bobbin on my Frister and Rossmann Modern Cylinder D sewing machine...However it looks like the link is no longer there. Can anyone help please...thanks for your time. There is a utube video but it's an open shuttle.
Thanks for your time.
Anne
Anne, please check all the links in the answer I gave to Cordelia above. Do they answer your question? The only Frister and Rossmann Model D I know of is a transverse shuttle.
DeleteLove, Muv
Wonderful blog you have here but I was wondering if you knew
ReplyDeleteof any user discussion forums that cover the same topics talked about here?
I'd really like to be a part of group where I can get comments from other knowledgeable individuals that
share the same interest. If you have any recommendations,
please let me know. Thank you!
Hello MUV
ReplyDeleteHappy New Year
I have recently discovered your great blog and have also viewed your videos on cleaning old sewing machines. I wonder if you could help me please? I have a Frister & Rossmann 1896 TS machine which I am currently cleaning up and hoping to enjoy using. My question is, it has the third slide plate at the front of the machine which I cannot get open. Does this slide plate have a purpose as I cannot find any information anywhere. When I removed the plate covering the tooth dogs I noticed a small well, is this where one would have inserted the felt and oil as in your video of the Singer? Any help would be appreciated. Many thanks, Carol
Hello Carol, That sounds interesting. I have never cleaned up a TS that old, so I could only guess. If you can shine a light inside, see if there is a tiny hole from the well to the tracks where the shuttle goes back and forth. This would suggest that it is indeed an oil well.
DeleteIf you want a definite answer, I suggest you get in touch with Helen Howes, If you are extremely lucky she might even have a manual.
http://helenhowes-sewingmachines.co.uk/index.html
Good luck!
Love, Muv